ESCHATOLOGY–NOT WHAT WE’VE BEEN TAUGHT!

March 17, 2013 

To the readers of this document…

 Please consider what I have written here and bring it before the Lord with your questions.  We are to study the scriptures— instead of just accepting what we’ve heard all our lives and just receive what’s been taught through the generations.  This is number one for us as believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ.  REMEMBER, and this is KEY–WHO is speaking in the scriptures, to WHOM is the person speaking, WHAT is the TIME frame, etc.  If you wrote me a note and asked me to come to your home, the note would be written by YOU and received by ME and the time frame would be while I am living, NOT 2,000 years from now…think about that and let it sink into your spirit and mind.
 

Also, consider reading The Last Days Identified by Don K. Preston, The Day and the Hour by Francis X. Gumerlock, Who is this Babylon? by Don K. Preston.  Also, check out David Curtis.  At the very least, read the reviews on Amazon. 

This truth can be yet another layer peeled off of you and another release from the dark hole of deception and lies!  If you are a truth seeker and you love the truth, you will take action, no matter the topic and find it as you look for it…we have our part as God guides and graces us!  The Lord bless you with new freedom in Him! 

~A Lover of the Truth, Donna

Mat. 10:23–But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into  another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over  the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Mat.  16:27-28–For the Son of man shall come in the glory of  his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his  works.

Verily  I say unto you, There  be some standing here,  which shall  not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his  kingdom.

 Mk.  9:1–And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you,  That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not  taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with  power.

Mat. 24:1-44

Mk. 13

Luke  21:6-36

Acts 2:15-21–last days for Israel/prophecy of Joel

Hebrews 1:1–last day for Israel

 James 5:3,7,8–last days/coming of the Lord (draweth nigh)  

2 Peter 3:3-22–last days for Israel

1 John 2:18, 28–last time/His coming

1 John 3:2–appear

Jude 18–last time 

Have you ever wondered about these verses I listed above? I  certainly have, time and time again! We know that a good bible student is  taught to notice WHO is speaking, and to WHOM is the person speaking to, and  what TIME FRAME or customs, etc. are they speaking about. That is why I always  had a difficult time trying to fit the verses into what I had heard or read. The  vast majority of people have been taught that these verses above refer to the  future, but that view has always puzzled me b/c Jesus was talking to His disciples about  the present time of His age and THEIR NEAR FUTURE.

  I challenge you to be open and ask Jesus for His view of the  times in these verses and also His view of where we are at now. We ARE IN His  Kingdom now since the time of the disciples & continuing into the future, so  anyone who is truly IN Christ IS IN His Kingdom…the Kingdom of God is for NOW,  not something we are to be waiting for, except we will continue to be with Jesus  on the other side.

I do not have a label and I do not want one, but  for the sake of understanding, I take what Jesus said and do not try to fit it  into any other time frame except the one that Jesus was referring to. These  words, (near, soon, & quickly), bracket the Book of Revelation and are also  used in the gospels as Jesus gave His discourse to the disciples about His  coming. Near, soon,  and quickly do NOT mean thousands of years later.

 As with all truth, it sets us FREE…free from our  own and other’s interpretations, teachings, DVD’s, CD’s, books, notes, themes,  etc. and wondering about verses that don’t seem to fit into this perspective  re: the end times. Anyone can enjoy the Kingdom of God within and preach to  others of the need for this Kingdom regardless of their eschatalogical  view, but my oh my, what freedom there is in the simple  and plain truth of Jesus’ words to His disciples for that time period in which  they lived. And John clearly wrote to the churches (Rev.) in ASIA at that  time…any other interpretation is twisting or spiritualizing that truth to try & fit another perspective.

Btw, if John wrote the book of Revelation in the 90’s the temple  could not be measured b/c it was DESTROYED IN 70AD. But Rev. 11:1 says–And  there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise,  and measure the temple  of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

 Here  are a few excerpts from this link.

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/revelation.html There is  much more to check out on this site to give your proof texts.

The  Early Date Theory

“So,  where can we turn to find evidence for the dating of Revelation? Within the book  itself! It will be shown, from internal evidence, that Revelation was written before the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

John  must prophesy again

The  first point to consider in favor of the early date is the fact that John was  told that he “must  prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and  kings” in  Revelation 10:11. Now, if Revelation was written in AD 95-96, John would have  been over 90 years old and it would have been very difficult for him to travel  to the various “nations  and…many kings” and  preach. However, with Revelation written earlier, John would have been in his  mid 60’s and at that age, his traveling would have been more feasible.

The  Seven Churches in Asia

Another  point is that John wrote Revelation to a specific group of churches in Asia  (Revelation 1:4). The importance of this  statement cannot be overlooked (even though it has been by many scholars). There is only one small  window of time in which there were only seven churches in Asia. The early AD  60’s. The  apostle Paul established nine churches in that area, but only  seven were addressed in Revelation. The reason for this is that the  cities of Colosse, Hierapolis, and Laodicea, were all destroyed by an earthquake  around AD 61. Laodicea was rebuilt soon afterwards, but the other two  cities were not. This left only seven churches in Asia during the five years  just prior to the beginning of the Roman/Jewish war.

Of  particular importance is the message to the church of Philadelphia (Revelation  3:7-13). In verse’s 10 and 11, Christ told John to inform them that an “hour  of temptation” was “about  to come upon all the world,”  i.e., the Roman  Empire. Christ then told them that He was coming quickly and that they  should hold fast. The reason this is important (besides the fact that this was  directed to an actual church in the first century) is that the first persecution  of Christians took place under Nero Caesar in AD 64.  Therefore, Revelation must have been written before that time.

The  Temple was still standing

One  of the most compelling proofs that Revelation was written before Jerusalem was  destroyed is the fact that the Jewish temple was still standing!

Revelation  11:1-2, “And  there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise,  and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and  them that worship therein. But the court which  is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto  the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under  foot forty and two  months.”

How  do we know that this was the temple of the first century and not some future  one? First, there is not one verse in the entire Bible that speaks of a “rebuilt” Jewish Temple.Not one. That  alone should be proof enough.

However,  this passage is very similar to Luke 21:20-24. Notice that Jesus told the disciples that they would  see this event. They had asked Him about their  temple (verse 5), and Jesus told them it would be destroyed before their  generation passed away (verse 32). Notice again what Jesus said in  verse 24, Jerusalem  shall be trodden down of the Gentiles.”  This is the same thing Christ told John in Revelation 11:2. Therefore, since the  disciples’ generation has long since passed away, Revelation must have been  written before the nations trampled Jerusalem under foot in AD 70.”  _________________

So  I, along with many others believe that John wrote this book nearer to 70AD because the  temple was still standing unto it’s destruction in 70AD.

There  is much to write on this topic. I trust you will study it with your Teacher &  find out for yourself. Truth DOES make a difference, as we so well know.

Please  check out the videos for:

Matthew  part 1 & 2, Revelation part 1 & 2, Josephus’ notes re: the destruction  of Jerusalem.

The  Second Coming in Matthew (Part 1) – Matthew 3:1-12; 10:23

The  Second Coming in Matthew (Part 2) – Matthew 16:27-28; 24:34; 26:64

Understanding  The Revelation Part 1 – Revelation 1:1-11

Understanding  The Revelation Part 2 – Revelation 13:11-18

Excerpt–

Brief summary of  Josephus’ record:

The Judgment on Jerusalem according  to History and Destruction of the temple

Heavenly  phenomena

  • A star resembling a sword
  • A comet
  • A bright light shining around the  altar and the temple
  • A vision of chariots and soldiers  running around among the clouds and all cities of Palestine.

Earthly  phenomena

(reported by  priests)

  • A quaking
  • A great noise
  • The sounds of a great multitude  saying, “Let us remove hence.”

John’s  Revelation – “And there were  noises and thundering and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since  men were on the earth.” (16:18)
Josephus – “for there broke out a  prodigious storm in the night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds,  with the largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that  was in an earthquake. These things were a manifest indication that some  destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this  disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand  calamities that were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5)

John’s  Revelation – “Now the great  city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations  fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the  wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)


Josephus – “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the  other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and  the effect of divine justice.” (5:1:1)

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About Donna

Praise the Lord! By His Grace I am His child and His servant. I can do nothing of and by myself for the Living God is the Great Producer, Director and Potter and it is by His grace that anything has been accomplished within me. I have four children and five grandsons whom I love dearly. I am seeking to be a prepared Bride and to be a seeker, lover, worshipper, of the Living God. I seek to inspire others to come to the Lord and seek Him for truth and to hear from Him for themselves so as to follow hard after Him and all He has for them, also to warn others to come out of the babylonish church system. These writings are meant to draw you to the Lover of your souls so ,you too, can be prepared to please and satisfy Jesus Christ who paid the ultimate price for our redemption. Thereby, you will then enjoy Him here, glorify Him and belong to His Heart and meet with Him someday in the Heavenly Kingdom. The way is narrow that leads to LIFE, but the way is broad that leads to DESTRUCTION. I implore you to seek the Lord, to examine yourselves, to plead for His mercy to make you ready to be a prepared bride for Him, to be His inheritance, His reward for His sufferings.
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